Yes, it's new. I found it 'useless' myself, until I started populating it with functions I regularly use. Now , I can't imagine not having it. My suggestion is to try using it. Although I'm not a decision maker, I doubt this is going away. This places many functions on one row, freeing up more screen space. Please try it. Thank you.

I see what you say, so I went to Customize to see what buttons I would want to drag in there for the mail view. But none came to mind. I know how to do every action with the main menu or a context menu, and would not find a button useful.

I realize that the toolbar is useful for people who don't have a title bar in their window manager, and who need a home for the window management buttons. But I use an old-fashioned window manager and don't need those inside the app.

Ideally, it should be possible to remove the Spaces menu and the hamburger menu in the Customize workflow, and then have the empty toolbar go away.

Ideally, it should be possible to remove the Spaces menu and the hamburger menu in the Customize workflow, and then have the empty toolbar go away.

What you currently see in 115 is a first cut at an overall improvement. It will continue to evolve and improve, and in fact have more capability to both toolbars. However currently it is not possible to remove the Unified Toolbar.

I (like you) for several years had the mail toolbar (not menu bar) disabled. But, I have been using supernova since the beginning of the year, and I seem to have acclimated to having the toolbar. But I am mostly using Mac, where the menu bar appears by default, and so the unified/mail toolbar has been less obtrusive. So I am currently undecided as to how worthwhile it will be to have an ability to remove the Unified Toolbar.

Thanks for your feedback.

> My suggestion is to try using it. Although I'm not a decision maker, I doubt this is going away.

Well, this is open source, not Microsoft... Adding new feature is always ok, but a user shall always have the possibility to disable these features.

If I use thunderbird, it's only because it has a great support for all mail providers, even my own self hosted... So please, don't forget users that don't like "fancy" and only want minimalist functional...

Personally, I'm very happy with classic menus, and I've never understood this "hamburger menu" hype that adds one click to any action... I understand that since it's a work in progress, it's not possible to remove it... but if there is no plan to allow disabling it in the future , I would be very disappointed...

> My suggestion is to try using it. Although I'm not a decision maker, I doubt this is going away. Well, this is open source, not Microsoft... Adding new feature is always ok, but a user shall always have the possibility to disable these features. If I use thunderbird, it's only because it has a great support for all mail providers, even my own self hosted... So please, don't forget users that don't like "fancy" and only want minimalist functional... Personally, I'm very happy with classic menus, and I've never understood this "hamburger menu" hype that adds one click to any action... I understand that since it's a work in progress, it's not possible to remove it... but if there is no plan to allow disabling it in the future , I would be very disappointed...

Yes, this is not Microsoft. Yes, in many areas Thunderbird is highly customizable. And there may (or may not) be a capability coming to disable the items you mention. But I think you misunderstand the fundamental concepts of open source if your interpretation is "a user shall always have the possibility to disable these features ... in the user interface, as provided to you in the base source code."

Open Source allows for you to have the source code so you can change the code (or ask someone else to code it for you), so that you can make the product do what you want. But it is not to be interpreted as "the suppliers of the code base provide UI to allow you every possible adjustment to the product behavior or UI."

That new Unified ' toolbar gets used in all sorts of areas in 115 - such as Calendar etc - not just the Folder PAne / Message List area. This is no longer the same as the old 'Mail Toolbar'.

It's rather useful if you want to get rid of a load of other toolbars such as the 'Folder Pane Header' and the 'Message List Header' because you can put any necessary icons onto the Unified toolbar.

But you can hide it if you really want to. You have to use 'userChrome.css' and this is done at your own risk.

Use the info at this link as it is the exact same process -

• https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1422908

but when it comes to the code you need to use the following:

#unified-toolbar{ display: none !important; }

If the above does not work then use:

#unifiedToolbar {visibility: collapse;}

That almost works, thanks! Actually, it should be `unified-toolbar` without a `#` since it's an element, not an id. The following chrome/userChrome.css works with Thunderbird 115.2.2:

   unified-toolbar {
     display: none !important;
   }